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blast off on another vip episode of

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hero paranormal podcast broadcasting

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from the base

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at la madre mountain just south of area

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my name is ryan the original outlaw of

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the airwaves bringing you

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an amazing and epic episode tonight i

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hope you're into weirdness because

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that's what's going on and this is

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weirdness in colorado of all places

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and today on the podcast we are

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discussing

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colorado bigfoot with mark parra

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president of colorado sasquatch research

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and long time bigfoot researcher he is

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going to run us through

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well the ins and outs of one of the

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squatchiest states in the lower 48. but

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i'm pitching hero heroparanormal.com and

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hero paranormal on patreon there i'm

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done doing it's

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hey mark how you doing good how's it

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pretty excited to talk to you today and

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i know that there's

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a lot you can tell us um i i really want

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to know

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just for listeners how you first got

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in this fascinating subject and what's

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kept your attention

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on the subject matter after all these

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i worked around uh unfortunately type

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oh no you're you're like you're cutting

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in and out pretty bad

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let me um oh okay

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let me see is that better yeah that's a

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lot better

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okay so anyways doing that type of work

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uh over a number of years you know i

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worked graveyard shifts started

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listening to coast coast dam all the

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time yeah i was just like addicted to

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coast coast listening yard bell

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and the subject you know of course came

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up with bigfoot where he has guests on

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talking about bigfoot

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and you know i'm sitting there thinking

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to myself

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i live in colorado i live in the rocky

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you know i i started getting into the

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subject deeper and deeper

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uh i started watching a couple of

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personalities on youtube there

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um mitchell wade camera giant bigfoot

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this was back in 2010 by the way

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so there wasn't a whole lot of um

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documentation there there were research

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groups in colorado but there weren't

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anybody like timber giant or mitchell

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wade or any of the guys doing video

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where you would you know go on before

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video camera and i basically just

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thought to myself you know i can do that

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through the road

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and then as far as deciding where i

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uh i started you know looking at bfro uh

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reports and just started checking some

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areas out um

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bought me a little ds our little digital

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camera back in 2010 and

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chose one particular uh state park that

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you know visited earlier that i knew

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about it had a lot of

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you know crazy rock formations and caves

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what's known as the palmer divide here

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in colorado and it's just

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a set of canyons that opened up in the

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i knew that there was caves and the

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canyons were forested

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so it was you know really good pick i

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thought plus it had

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previous sighting reports um and other

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paranormal type

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you know reports at the county level

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that i was i was able to dig up

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um within a month of me

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processes looking for prints

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pre-break structures you know everything

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it's basically in the textbook of doing

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video research to determine if they're

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right away

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i was like blown away i was like this is

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this is getting too easy you know how

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could i just find everything

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that everyone else finds out here uh

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month of spending time learning the

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topography of this state

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park that they're in um spending a lot

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of time just sitting

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listening learning the force i had my

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first encounter in 2010.

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uh it was a february morning uh it

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snowed the previous night

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but it was sunny and i had decided to go

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and there was absolutely nobody in the

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dirt parking lot i mean the place was

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ghost down

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probably because of the snow and the mud

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some friends

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so um started heading down the ravine

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and within five minutes of me you know

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coming down the path and into this

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i there was a big black shadow maybe

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30 yards ahead of me and it looked like

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it was like sitting behind a tree but it

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was sitting on a boulder

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and i said you know that looks like a

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giant monkey this can't be happening

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and whatever it was was huge and i could

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see the shoulder

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you know and the black fur sticking out

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so first i was like it looks like a

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monkey squatting on a rock

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uh i heard something moving in the

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bushes some snap um points as it was

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moving i look over

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and there's this a secondary one kicking

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just looking at this goofy look on its

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face and i could see his eyes

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and i basically was not prepared for

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that to happen

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so soon you know i mean there's a lot of

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people out there who've spent a half a

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lifetime looking

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really haven't ever had the encounter

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they wanted so i really was in shock i

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could not believe this was happening so

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green at that time

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but i basically panicked uh lifted

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lifted up my little camera

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just started snapping off pictures as

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fast as i could and then took off that

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my key got out of there um so you know

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my first encounter in my first setting

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i did not expect that to happen i was

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scared to death

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the things were so big and

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the one that was picking up at me it was

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so ugly

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it really scared the hell out of me

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man and you know it's it might just have

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to do with where you're at i mean the

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let's see the there's all kinds of

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examples i mean estes park has bigfoot

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days there's seven colorado counties

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with the most bigfoot sightings

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areas are just the i mean the sightings

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capita are quite high in colorado

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um you know and it's like you know it's

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like i talk about my book again

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this shouldn't have been this easy so

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after i spent you know i started my own

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and i i kind of grew into the bigfoot

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community and i was going to use this

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group i knew they were there and i

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wanted to try and get them

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anything i could do you know if uh get

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closer to them i wanted to get them on

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so i spent you know over the next at

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least eight or nine years

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hundreds of dollars on corn and apples

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and trying different experiments that i

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from them and looking for hair and just

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you know recording videos i think i was

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the first in colorado

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to actually do you know what timber

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giant and everybody used to do was the

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walk-and-talk thing

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um so i was actually the first that

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started doing that way back in 2010

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and i got a lot of uh movement

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on the camera behind me and around me um

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was similar with like with scott

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carpenter as an example

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so i started realizing you know that i'm

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getting if they're around you they

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just completely surround you and um

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that was one of the things i experienced

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out there is i would always get

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you know if i tried anything there was

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not going to be a reactive escape

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so anyways i you know i spent all that

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befriend these things

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and i learned a lot and i had a lot of

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great experiences

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jackson died off for a couple years i

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didn't i thought maybe they had died

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maybe gone away or whatever wasn't

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picking up prince at all the place just

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it started showing up again i started

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finding friends again and stuff

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and then in 2016 uh susan crone

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um she's my girlfriend we uh

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hooked up and she became part of the

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research organization and started doing

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expeditions into other areas outside of

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all over colorado we've covered

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thousands of miles

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rockies what we would do is we would hit

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the deckard's area

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a lot of reports that come out of the

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south platte river area known as

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prints things that we would find moved

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large structure fields funny really

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incredible stuff type of stuff um you

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in bayley colorado

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pine colorado any of these mountain

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towns that run along the front range

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that have had

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fighting reports and just choose areas

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you know

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even if it was a trail head would run up

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somewhere we would

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hit it break trail explore off trail

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document where we find sign

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and uh then start putting all the pieces

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together you know

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what what's similar are these structures

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some of the symbology looks like

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the same symbology 50 miles away

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which just blew us away and uh at that

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point you know you start

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realizing these aren't boy scouts doing

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the symbology

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uh these aren't artists that it is

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they this really is a tribal type

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situation going on in eastern colorado

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um because we were able to locate

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so many different areas um over the past

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couple years

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where there is bigfoot activity um

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if this goes in right because the

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population you can't even begin to

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speculate right now but it has been

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hundreds

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in in the thought like i said the sign

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is similar

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spread out over 50 miles to get another

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national forest or state park area the

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sign would show up it'd be similar

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you know so we're like wow this has to

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be like one either gigantic

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network or it's pretty typical

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of behavior so it's been really uh a fun

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12 years

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um we kind of backed off a little bit

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this year

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close locked down on doing the videos

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and

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so forth uh because you know i'm going

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the process of writing a book

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uh the book came about because

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of his 12 years but that doesn't mean

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it's over

335
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we're still going to be getting the

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field and learning as much as we can

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stuff mark and a lot of

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i i relate with a lot of what you said

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from just researching the little bit

340
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that you know

341
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in your area you mentioned the tri that

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they seem to be in tribes and i think

343
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that's really interesting because a lot

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of people are reporting

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family type behavior have you witnessed

346
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that on your own or seen that type of

347
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behavior through your research

348
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sure in tracking um you know i used

349
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i use tactical man trapping uh is is

350
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my pre-set for any investigation to go

351
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on and that's where i start i'm not

352
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tracking an animal

353
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i come at it using a tactical mantra i

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feel like i'm tracking

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either enemy soldiers or fugitives

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in that respect and that's because of

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the psychology

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they're not animals and so they're not

359
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going to be predictable they are going

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to set

361
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you know trapped basically it's not like

362
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they can think here

363
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it's a set up sometimes if you find

364
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pranks crazy it's a setup and they're

365
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probably watching you at that point

366
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but um you know to get back on that

367
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the the tracking is is really what opens

368
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the door

369
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90 of the times i mean i really don't

370
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refine the structures and so forth but

371
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books sometimes they can be ambiguous

372
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and

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the thing here in colorado

374
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is you have a lot of archaeology um use

375
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indians

376
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lived up in the high rocky mountains and

377
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they some of their their tribal

378
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they would have up to ten thousand

379
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people you know in a single community

380
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so that's a lot of racks different

381
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drawing needs that

382
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you use there's lots of that is some of

383
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it has still stands in this weather the

384
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best design

385
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but of course you can tell by

386
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how fresh it is and prints of course and

387
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poops

388
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yeah you know animal bones lying around

389
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um but uh you i'm sorry you were asking

390
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yeah it kind of seems like uh oh the

391
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tribal the tribal symbology

392
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okay so when i when i originally started

393
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working in these canyons out here on the

394
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palmer dubai

395
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the symbology was like wow these were

396
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like bows and arrows

397
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x's it's very native american technology

398
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where you have an

399
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x and a foe and i'm like well that's

400
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very representative of a bow and arrow

401
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and then you would have a um just

402
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incredible break i should this is either

403
00:15:13,110 --> 00:15:12,160
some artist doing this or it's bigfoot

404
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so

405
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the confirmation came much later as we

406
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moved

407
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near a very big big reservoir

408
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the watershed reservoir the denver water

409
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runs it runs down

410
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supplies the water into called the

411
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eastern colorado here

412
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and we started buying the exact same

413
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stuff

414
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and i said look at this this matches the

415
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exact same stuff i've been documenting

416
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in the first place

417
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12 years i said it was confirmation at

418
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that point that yeah there is a

419
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there's a tribal mindset in the way that

420
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they leave branches

421
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um we have found some

422
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really incredible stuff last two years

423
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along the platte river

424
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we were coming back hiking down from

425
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that reservoir

426
00:16:08,230 --> 00:16:05,839
along the south by river and something

427
00:16:10,710 --> 00:16:08,240
caught our eye up on a cliff

428
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he stopped and it looked like a big

429
00:16:13,430 --> 00:16:11,600
giant patty

430
00:16:15,509 --> 00:16:13,440
a gorilla sitting on the cliff

431
00:16:18,870 --> 00:16:15,519
overlooking the river

432
00:16:20,470 --> 00:16:18,880
so wow this this is crazy this

433
00:16:21,910 --> 00:16:20,480
set us off that we were going to have to

434
00:16:22,710 --> 00:16:21,920
get to the other side of the river the

435
00:16:25,670 --> 00:16:22,720
following week

436
00:16:27,590 --> 00:16:25,680
and go up there and find out what that

437
00:16:30,150 --> 00:16:27,600
was we tried yelling at it

438
00:16:32,389 --> 00:16:30,160
uh it's a really loud river but we could

439
00:16:34,069 --> 00:16:32,399
see it sitting there and it was totally

440
00:16:35,910 --> 00:16:34,079
inky black and it wasn't

441
00:16:38,310 --> 00:16:35,920
there and it didn't look like patty it

442
00:16:39,670 --> 00:16:38,320
looked like it had air up to the face

443
00:16:41,590 --> 00:16:39,680
and it was just sitting there

444
00:16:44,790 --> 00:16:41,600
overlooking the river

445
00:16:46,069 --> 00:16:44,800
and so next week you know we climbed up

446
00:16:48,470 --> 00:16:46,079
there i climbed up there and

447
00:16:50,550 --> 00:16:48,480
this is what i could find and got to

448
00:16:51,430 --> 00:16:50,560
where it was it wasn't a cave it wasn't

449
00:16:53,910 --> 00:16:51,440
just a dark

450
00:16:56,389 --> 00:16:53,920
area shaded area on the rock but there

451
00:16:58,710 --> 00:16:56,399
was nothing that well there was a

452
00:17:00,069 --> 00:16:58,720
little stack of rocks you know looked

453
00:17:02,230 --> 00:17:00,079
like uh they were flatter

454
00:17:03,829 --> 00:17:02,240
clutter up like handbags kind of like

455
00:17:05,429 --> 00:17:03,839
pancakes and they were just stacked to

456
00:17:06,949 --> 00:17:05,439
spread for them

457
00:17:08,870 --> 00:17:06,959
you know first thing i said is wow wow

458
00:17:10,870 --> 00:17:08,880
okay i thought

459
00:17:12,150 --> 00:17:10,880
and we're right where the this big boat

460
00:17:15,189 --> 00:17:12,160
where we have the pictures

461
00:17:16,949 --> 00:17:15,199
that we took of him the city right he's

462
00:17:20,230 --> 00:17:16,959
staring it looks like he's staring

463
00:17:22,870 --> 00:17:20,240
down at the river but there is a

464
00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:22,880
juniper tree in front of him where the

465
00:17:27,350 --> 00:17:24,720
city like to kind of block him

466
00:17:30,310 --> 00:17:27,360
no one could see him when he got up

467
00:17:34,470 --> 00:17:30,320
there this juniper tree has been twisted

468
00:17:37,750 --> 00:17:34,480
so there's like a circle like a

469
00:17:40,070 --> 00:17:37,760
a hole like a dream capture it looks

470
00:17:43,510 --> 00:17:40,080
like a dream tactic

471
00:17:45,430 --> 00:17:43,520
and when i saw that i said

472
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is he a meditator is he sitting up on

473
00:17:48,150 --> 00:17:47,360
this cliff meditating is that what he's

474
00:17:51,350 --> 00:17:48,160
doing

475
00:17:52,710 --> 00:17:51,360
because it's very you have snack rocks

476
00:17:54,950 --> 00:17:52,720
you have

477
00:17:56,950 --> 00:17:54,960
this tree twisted to make a hole kind of

478
00:18:01,430 --> 00:17:56,960
like looking through a hole

479
00:18:04,870 --> 00:18:01,440
oh excuse me for one second you bet

480
00:18:05,990 --> 00:18:04,880
so um the uh

481
00:18:07,270 --> 00:18:06,000
the whole thing with the tribal

482
00:18:08,070 --> 00:18:07,280
symbology is something that i've

483
00:18:10,070 --> 00:18:08,080
detailed

484
00:18:13,750 --> 00:18:10,080
um over the years and that's going to be

485
00:18:15,909 --> 00:18:13,760
part of my my focus and my focus is

486
00:18:17,270 --> 00:18:15,919
they are they are living in like clans

487
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or tribes

488
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uh and you know i've talked to a lot of

489
00:18:22,710 --> 00:18:21,520
people in colorado this year in the past

490
00:18:25,110 --> 00:18:22,720
couple of years

491
00:18:26,630 --> 00:18:25,120
from different areas and they all say

492
00:18:29,350 --> 00:18:26,640
the same thing these things are

493
00:18:30,950 --> 00:18:29,360
everywhere up here whether it's going on

494
00:18:33,350 --> 00:18:30,960
in bailey

495
00:18:34,950 --> 00:18:33,360
uh you know or pine or everywhere

496
00:18:36,230 --> 00:18:34,960
anything you talk to you about this but

497
00:18:38,870 --> 00:18:36,240
they're so they're everywhere

498
00:18:40,630 --> 00:18:38,880
maybe you get all kind of wounds and

499
00:18:43,270 --> 00:18:40,640
these kind of that's crazy and

500
00:18:44,630 --> 00:18:43,280
everything itself i'm not really sure on

501
00:18:47,510 --> 00:18:44,640
population

502
00:18:48,870 --> 00:18:47,520
but it's got to be huge along the uh the

503
00:18:52,310 --> 00:18:48,880
front range

504
00:18:54,390 --> 00:18:52,320
where we work yeah it seems

505
00:18:56,230 --> 00:18:54,400
this isn't one of those things where

506
00:18:57,430 --> 00:18:56,240
we're not having the type of experiences

507
00:18:59,029 --> 00:18:57,440
we don't go

508
00:19:00,789 --> 00:18:59,039
um we're putting you know centered

509
00:19:02,549 --> 00:19:00,799
people we're not sitting down and

510
00:19:04,950 --> 00:19:02,559
breaking graduation

511
00:19:06,070 --> 00:19:04,960
um we get flipped in and pooping where

512
00:19:08,950 --> 00:19:06,080
we can hear the roots

513
00:19:09,350 --> 00:19:08,960
or the vocalizations we've had rocks

514
00:19:12,789 --> 00:19:09,360
thrown

515
00:19:15,430 --> 00:19:12,799
at us uh in the decker's area but

516
00:19:17,510 --> 00:19:15,440
they don't you know they are very shy

517
00:19:19,430 --> 00:19:17,520
and

518
00:19:20,789 --> 00:19:19,440
they'll have to sit along the rivers in

519
00:19:23,669 --> 00:19:20,799
the summer because of this

520
00:19:24,710 --> 00:19:23,679
and what we've learned is that the

521
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closer the

522
00:19:29,430 --> 00:19:26,799
you know the harder we push at them down

523
00:19:31,350 --> 00:19:29,440
the river they move down the river

524
00:19:32,630 --> 00:19:31,360
so they're always like 50 to 50 yards

525
00:19:34,630 --> 00:19:32,640
ahead ahead of us

526
00:19:36,150 --> 00:19:34,640
and that's where we're at we're

527
00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:36,160
struggling to get i will

528
00:19:40,789 --> 00:19:38,400
i started this to get them on video and

529
00:19:44,310 --> 00:19:40,799
so that has been always my goal

530
00:19:45,190 --> 00:19:44,320
the rest of it the dna uh those are from

531
00:19:47,669 --> 00:19:45,200
my betters

532
00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:47,679
all of that stuff my goal was always

533
00:19:51,430 --> 00:19:49,200
just to try and get

534
00:19:53,270 --> 00:19:51,440
the perfect video you know patterson

535
00:19:56,150 --> 00:19:53,280
quality if i can

536
00:19:56,950 --> 00:19:56,160
and i've gotten close a couple times but

537
00:19:58,470 --> 00:19:56,960
you know

538
00:20:00,710 --> 00:19:58,480
it just doesn't it doesn't happen in the

539
00:20:03,909 --> 00:20:00,720
real world like that

540
00:20:06,390 --> 00:20:03,919
i wish it did right and i i

541
00:20:06,950 --> 00:20:06,400
i'm glad you brought up the patterson

542
00:20:13,830 --> 00:20:06,960
film

543
00:20:15,590 --> 00:20:13,840
it sure looks real to me what what's

544
00:20:17,750 --> 00:20:15,600
your personal opinion of the film

545
00:20:19,430 --> 00:20:17,760
and what attributes do you like or don't

546
00:20:21,830 --> 00:20:19,440
like about it

547
00:20:23,110 --> 00:20:21,840
okay what i've experienced in colorado

548
00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:23,120
is a little bit

549
00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:30,789
they they live in they like to live

550
00:20:36,630 --> 00:20:34,480
in high granite cliff areas um

551
00:20:37,909 --> 00:20:36,640
so they're very good at climbing these

552
00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:37,919
areas

553
00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:41,039
um or there's caves and also what we

554
00:20:44,310 --> 00:20:41,840
call pits

555
00:20:45,990 --> 00:20:44,320
we have found pit caves where it's just

556
00:20:49,430 --> 00:20:46,000
a hole in the ground

557
00:20:50,390 --> 00:20:49,440
clean and it's been excavated out and

558
00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:50,400
then they put a big

559
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:52,640
rock in front of it and so we just found

560
00:20:56,870 --> 00:20:54,000
where the rock is

561
00:20:57,190 --> 00:20:56,880
you've been moved aside from the hole

562
00:20:59,430 --> 00:20:57,200
and

563
00:21:00,549 --> 00:20:59,440
no human is doing that because that's

564
00:21:03,909 --> 00:21:00,559
not

565
00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:03,919
conducive to our survival if they

566
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:06,960
you don't if humans don't build a

567
00:21:09,909 --> 00:21:08,880
structure and sleep outside by the fire

568
00:21:12,149 --> 00:21:09,919
they don't go

569
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:12,159
hide themselves in a tune the only thing

570
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:13,760
to be doing that

571
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:16,880
in the rockies is in these high cliff

572
00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:18,799
areas with sasquatch

573
00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:21,360
and we you know that's the thing we've

574
00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:22,080
seen them

575
00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:23,600
up on the cliff they like to put

576
00:21:26,230 --> 00:21:25,440
themselves in a position where they can

577
00:21:29,270 --> 00:21:26,240
overlook

578
00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:29,280
a river as an example

579
00:21:33,270 --> 00:21:31,600
and you know they the sasquatch here

580
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:33,280
they're very predictable

581
00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:36,960
as far as using human resources um

582
00:21:41,110 --> 00:21:38,799
beyond a win one day actually let's go

583
00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:41,120
up to mount savannah there's an example

584
00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:43,440
it's one of the fish factories

585
00:21:47,430 --> 00:21:46,000
and they produce they farm raise all the

586
00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:47,440
award-winning

587
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:49,200
trout that they put into the flat river

588
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:51,440
and you know people come from

589
00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:53,039
all over the world to fish the flat

590
00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:54,559
river because

591
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:56,159
you know those are fish that have been

592
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:58,000
bred to be put in there their award with

593
00:22:04,950 --> 00:21:58,400
big

594
00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:04,960
used that natural reset so

595
00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:07,840
uh you know we like to hang along rivers

596
00:22:11,830 --> 00:22:08,720
um

597
00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:11,840
that's where we get rocks thrown at us

598
00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:15,039
vocalizations coming from above us

599
00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:18,320
on the hillside once we move into those

600
00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:19,360
tree lines

601
00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:21,600
go up the hill when we start finding the

602
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:23,520
evidence

603
00:22:26,950 --> 00:22:25,120
the structures in the brinks and so

604
00:22:28,870 --> 00:22:26,960
forth and

605
00:22:31,110 --> 00:22:28,880
um you know we've been able to make a

606
00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:31,120
lot of headway in doing things like

607
00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:32,000
understanding

608
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:36,320
diet the wild diet is an example um

609
00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:38,480
i kind of learned over the years they

610
00:22:42,789 --> 00:22:39,520
avoid deer

611
00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:42,799
the old deer in colorado they they have

612
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:44,320
other things like elk and

613
00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:45,840
mountain goats and so forth that are

614
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:48,000
cleaner but a lot of deer

615
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:50,480
you notice that they'll rip the head off

616
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:52,000
and drink all the blood out of the

617
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:53,520
animal but they won't eat the meat and

618
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:55,440
that's why because it had parasites and

619
00:23:01,669 --> 00:22:56,880
they moved

620
00:23:04,149 --> 00:23:01,679
you've learned a lot about diet colorado

621
00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:04,159
yeah and the most of the last things

622
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:05,679
that we learned is this is why i make a

623
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:07,360
point in my book

624
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:10,720
to colorado because i can't

625
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:14,159
i can't um complement or

626
00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:15,840
even comment on other people's

627
00:23:18,870 --> 00:23:17,840
experiences like let's say in southern

628
00:23:21,270 --> 00:23:18,880
states

629
00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:21,280
because everything is different the fawn

630
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:22,880
is different the plants are different

631
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:25,200
the diet will be different and therefore

632
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:27,200
the whole psychology and the behavior of

633
00:23:31,750 --> 00:23:29,840
the creatures

634
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:31,760
you know so our the whole premise is you

635
00:23:35,909 --> 00:23:33,840
know colorado we've grown

636
00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:35,919
you've got to stay focused on colorado

637
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:37,679
but you know

638
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:43,029
because what happens is you know a lot

639
00:23:47,350 --> 00:23:45,440
of people these days

640
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:47,360
you've seen comments on posts and so

641
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:50,240
forth where the arms are too short or

642
00:23:54,070 --> 00:23:51,760
then it doesn't have a sad little

643
00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:54,080
correct well in that case if that's not

644
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:57,279
that's um that's not the case there's

645
00:24:01,510 --> 00:23:59,360
multiple variations of sasquatch just

646
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:01,520
like there are races of people

647
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:04,559
and it all has to do with genetic

648
00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:08,320
yeah and the it sounds like the

649
00:24:12,149 --> 00:24:10,720
the tribal i think the tribal like you

650
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:12,159
said it's neat that you're going after

651
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:13,360
it more like

652
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:15,120
hunting a man than you would be hunting

653
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:17,200
an animal and the tribal thing makes

654
00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:18,480
sense and

655
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:21,840
it it definitely goes along with

656
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:23,760
everything that i've seen

657
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:26,400
and researching and you know the

658
00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:27,440
interesting thing

659
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:30,880
is uh the the sentinel there's a lot of

660
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:32,000
people who have started

661
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:35,039
to argue this whole sentinel idea where

662
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:36,720
you may see something but it might be

663
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:38,799
the the a decoy or

664
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:40,880
or a sentinel who's looking out for the

665
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:42,000
others who may be

666
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:44,400
further away what are your opinions on

667
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:45,120
the whole

668
00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:47,120
you know the sentinel or the lookout is

669
00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:49,360
is that something you've encountered

670
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:53,279
yes um now

671
00:24:56,549 --> 00:24:55,200
most of our encounters because we've

672
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:56,559
been doing video

673
00:24:59,669 --> 00:24:58,320
all the time we were working in the

674
00:25:01,990 --> 00:24:59,679
early morning hours

675
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:02,000
in the day more so than nights i can't

676
00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:04,000
afford thermals and all that

677
00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:05,760
stuff but we're going to do the best

678
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:07,520
that we could working in the day

679
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:10,559
um the sentinels are present

680
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:12,480
a lot of the areas that we have covered

681
00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:13,600
in colorado

682
00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:17,679
have uh say hauntings

683
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:20,880
um or they have a uh

684
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:23,919
a cultural and a background form

685
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:26,559
a historical background we find a lot of

686
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:27,360
areas

687
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:29,360
where there's indian graves there are

688
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:31,520
graveyards there are

689
00:25:35,190 --> 00:25:33,600
particular state parks that have are

690
00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:35,200
haunted where people have been

691
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:37,760
forced to the ground we've seen shadows

692
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:38,240
that

693
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:41,279
reported bigfoot strange light

694
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:43,440
the whole the orb thing the whole thing

695
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:44,640
is intertwined

696
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:47,279
in these particular areas where you have

697
00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:48,720
historical content

698
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:51,679
um you know as an example the flat river

699
00:25:55,990 --> 00:25:53,600
has a really ugly history a lot of

700
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:56,000
a lot of men died there and goldwest

701
00:25:58,870 --> 00:25:56,960
times

702
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:58,880
trying to ambush those trains on their

703
00:26:01,510 --> 00:26:00,640
way to the denver mint from the gold

704
00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:01,520
mines

705
00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:04,640
and uh and a lot of people just died

706
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:05,919
right there in the sun and

707
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:07,520
somebody maybe had found them and put

708
00:26:12,549 --> 00:26:09,760
them in a gallon grave but so

709
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:12,559
there's a lot of haunted uh areas like

710
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:12,880
that

711
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:16,480
bigfoot does

712
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:19,840
for whatever reason put themselves

713
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:22,320
in those areas now there's a number of

714
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:22,880
reasons

715
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:26,320
for that um you know a lot of people

716
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:28,559
that are on the paranormal

717
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:31,840
camp basically they uh will immediately

718
00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:33,760
assume that the bigfoot is interacting

719
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:34,640
by the run

720
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:37,440
and has some kind of power related to

721
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:39,440
this one in actuality

722
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:41,679
they might just be attracted to the

723
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:43,840
spirit activity if there's ghost

724
00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:44,720
activity

725
00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:47,919
that may be something that they're just

726
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:51,200
attracted to as far as like tribalism

727
00:27:01,750 --> 00:26:58,710
about all tribal

728
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:01,760
uh things that we know for science and

729
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:03,039
homonym

730
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:06,080
um was of is

731
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:08,480
so the most important thing to whether

732
00:27:13,029 --> 00:27:09,360
it be

733
00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:13,039
neighbors or the olympian or ancestors

734
00:27:18,149 --> 00:27:16,080
those are the people that

735
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:18,159
came before us that can be carrying all

736
00:27:24,070 --> 00:27:19,120
their dna

737
00:27:27,190 --> 00:27:24,080
and you know so a lot of those

738
00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:27,200
tribal uh very ancient pagan religions

739
00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:28,399
were based around

740
00:27:32,389 --> 00:27:30,880
ancestors and the spirits that they work

741
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:32,399
with there are

742
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:34,799
where is their great grandparents

743
00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:35,600
themselves

744
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:38,000
and so you know i use a lot of

745
00:27:41,909 --> 00:27:39,840
anthropology templates

746
00:27:43,750 --> 00:27:41,919
looking at that you know it's like want

747
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:43,760
to find like an explorer going into the

748
00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:45,520
jungles of borneo for the first time

749
00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:46,480
right

750
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:48,240
all those identifiers are going to be

751
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:49,919
there if you run across

752
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:51,760
people that have really just lived in

753
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:53,520
the jungle and never really seen other

754
00:27:57,389 --> 00:27:54,000
people

755
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:57,399
you're going to have all of that tribal

756
00:28:01,269 --> 00:27:59,840
symbology everything is going to be

757
00:28:03,669 --> 00:28:01,279
their language

758
00:28:05,669 --> 00:28:03,679
and it shouldn't be any different for a

759
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:05,679
living comedy

760
00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:08,799
that's supposedly and i do believe it is

761
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:12,559
half human so

762
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:16,399
you take into all you know anthropology

763
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:18,240
whether it's the neanderthal

764
00:28:23,350 --> 00:28:21,440
um any of the hominin species homo

765
00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:23,360
ancestor heidelberg dennis

766
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:28,470
sense about them some were more

767
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:40,149
yeah the interesting thing is from that

768
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:42,720
tribal mentality i mean and they they

769
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:45,440
they do seem like they work as a group

770
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:47,840
and i it also it appears

771
00:28:51,029 --> 00:28:49,600
i'm glad you mentioned the lights in the

772
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:51,039
sky the uh

773
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:53,760
strange almost paranormal activity

774
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:54,720
because

775
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:58,000
there there is a couple of camps you

776
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:59,760
know those who believe that these things

777
00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:00,880
work hand in hand

778
00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:03,679
and are more open-minded to the idea and

779
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:05,440
those who are just more nuts and bolts i

780
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:07,440
mean both sides are needed but

781
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:09,440
i've taught i've talked to a lot of

782
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:11,200
people who have seen

783
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:13,919
multiple things on the same outing which

784
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:16,080
did not make sense and so i i'm really

785
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:18,480
glad that you you brought that up

786
00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:20,960
sure um we started capturing when

787
00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:23,120
something joined in 2015

788
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:25,279
i was still at that tactical man

789
00:29:28,710 --> 00:29:26,880
tracking i'm a backbone

790
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:28,720
type of guy and that's how i'm running

791
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:30,080
this like

792
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:33,919
susan brought in a different energy i

793
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:36,000
guess which changed the whole dynamic

794
00:29:40,230 --> 00:29:39,120
and changed my paradigm susan when she

795
00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:40,240
came in

796
00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:42,399
uh she said you know originally how she

797
00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:45,679
had found things on youtube and she had

798
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:47,520
visited that state park and said you

799
00:29:49,269 --> 00:29:48,880
know i've been out there and i've never

800
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:49,279
really

801
00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:52,399
sensed or seen anything so you know we

802
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:54,480
just went out and had some drinks and

803
00:29:57,990 --> 00:29:56,480
and get it off and pretty soon i was

804
00:30:01,269 --> 00:29:58,000
telling her where to go

805
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:04,789
exactly what to do um in each of those

806
00:30:07,909 --> 00:30:05,360
places

807
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:07,919
so you know we weren't spending a whole

808
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:09,360
lot of time together because we had just

809
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:09,679
met

810
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:12,640
but she went out on her own into the

811
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:14,640
areas that i've been working

812
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:17,520
you know for eight nine years and right

813
00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:23,360
off the bat he started getting fixers

814
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:26,559
then she had an encounter with a couple

815
00:30:30,549 --> 00:30:28,640
different paranormal type things she

816
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:30,559
started capturing

817
00:30:34,149 --> 00:30:33,360
paranormal activity in there and some of

818
00:30:35,669 --> 00:30:34,159
these creatures

819
00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:35,679
had nothing to do with big but they

820
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:37,360
looked really weird and i said all right

821
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:38,880
something else is going on

822
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:42,720
here so that's when i started looking at

823
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:44,720
going deeper trying to figure out if

824
00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:46,320
there were underground caverns

825
00:30:49,830 --> 00:30:48,399
geology work that had been done there

826
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:49,840
went through the whole lot trying to

827
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:51,120
figure out

828
00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:54,320
why this place is

829
00:30:58,149 --> 00:30:56,960
uh has this energy you know giving up

830
00:31:02,870 --> 00:30:58,159
this type of energy

831
00:31:06,389 --> 00:31:02,880
um and you know it turns out it wasn't

832
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:06,399
it revealed the oldest known human

833
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:09,120
artifacts of a human habitation in a

834
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:09,760
city

835
00:31:14,789 --> 00:31:12,880
in colorado ever by the university of

836
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:14,799
denver archaeology

837
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:18,399
and i had no idea so the so the energy

838
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:22,480
of this place i feel drawn

839
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:24,640
um as soon as we started having

840
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:26,399
[Music]

841
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:29,440
all of these encounters um we

842
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:31,200
encountered a thing up there that we did

843
00:31:33,669 --> 00:31:32,880
an investigation on speaking out by

844
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:33,679
herself and

845
00:31:39,269 --> 00:31:37,200
they're gone they're dust and she saw

846
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:39,279
this huge black shadow moving behind the

847
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:40,000
holder

848
00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:41,519
and she couldn't really make it out

849
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:43,039
because you just took a picture with her

850
00:31:46,870 --> 00:31:43,760
phone

851
00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:46,880
and when you got it home and looked at

852
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:47,200
it

853
00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:50,159
you had several other people um jason

854
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:50,880
johnson

855
00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:53,919
uh science some people from crypto four

856
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:56,559
corners uh did some work on it

857
00:32:03,029 --> 00:32:00,000
and what we saw was a gigantic

858
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:03,039
10 foot looks like a bigfoot

859
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:06,000
wearing some kind of necklace um just

860
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:07,840
standing there smiling at it

861
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:10,720
he had to lighten it up and so forth and

862
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:12,000
that became one of our

863
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:14,880
or her greatest picture up until that

864
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:16,240
point like i said

865
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:19,279
i hadn't really experienced that

866
00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:23,360
before so her coming into the area

867
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:25,679
um kind of changed the whole energy kind

868
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:27,120
of made me a believer

869
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:29,760
that you know something else going on

870
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:31,519
that i needed more

871
00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:34,640
so uh because susan is

872
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:36,320
involved in the metaphysical community

873
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:38,320
she has a lot of other women friends and

874
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:40,159
so forth that are

875
00:32:43,830 --> 00:32:42,480
psychic that three readings like reading

876
00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:43,840
for people

877
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:47,200
and so we took the pictures to fur and

878
00:32:50,789 --> 00:32:48,320
they said you know

879
00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:50,799
what can you believe and channel this

880
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:52,559
thing and find out

881
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:55,760
so he started working with it and right

882
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:56,000
off

883
00:33:01,669 --> 00:32:59,600
the bat she started telling him um

884
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:01,679
now keep in mind i'm still an unbeliever

885
00:33:05,669 --> 00:33:03,679
at this point right i'm kind of like the

886
00:33:08,230 --> 00:33:05,679
susan handles the paranormal side and

887
00:33:10,149 --> 00:33:08,240
i'm the facts on the ground kind of guy

888
00:33:11,669 --> 00:33:10,159
i'm the guy that casts the prince and so

889
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:11,679
forth uh

890
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:14,880
so anyways during this psychic session

891
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:18,080
um supposedly this lady

892
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:20,480
channeling uh this picture this thing

893
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:21,360
calls himself

894
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:25,679
mocked um and he started telling us that

895
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:26,559
his job

896
00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:29,679
is to watch over the hairy ones that's

897
00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:31,120
what he called

898
00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:34,880
john walked over them and

899
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:38,159
um he says i exist in this world but i

900
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:39,840
don't

901
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:42,640
but he isn't a bigfoot and that's the

902
00:33:46,389 --> 00:33:43,600
point of the matter

903
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:46,399
he kept alluding to the point that his

904
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:47,840
job is to do that

905
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:51,200
but he is not what they are

906
00:33:55,269 --> 00:33:54,640
so this is all blowing my mind going

907
00:33:57,750 --> 00:33:55,279
through this

908
00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:57,760
right um but i'm writing it all down and

909
00:34:02,950 --> 00:33:59,840
taking it all in and

910
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:02,960
he told us that the reason he was there

911
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:05,120
is he's watching over this younger soft

912
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:06,000
squat

913
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:07,440
uh probably the one i had been

914
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:10,000
interacting with for a number of years

915
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:13,839
and uh his siblings had died

916
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:16,480
in the parents that died they got sick

917
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:16,879
with

918
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:19,599
plague which goes wrong in eastern

919
00:34:25,109 --> 00:34:21,839
colorado bubonic plague

920
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:25,119
and they all died and he was very sad

921
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:27,280
um you know he did just stay in this

922
00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:28,159
cave all been

923
00:34:31,829 --> 00:34:29,599
sleeping he didn't want to come out he

924
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:31,839
didn't want to live anymore

925
00:34:38,149 --> 00:34:35,119
um and that mott is sent

926
00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:38,159
by his plan of an elder

927
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:40,480
grandmother i guess he's very worried

928
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:42,399
about this young softball

929
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:44,960
because they're trying to find some they

930
00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:47,760
need something happening

931
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:50,240
so then she gave us an olympic

932
00:34:56,069 --> 00:34:51,280
coordinate

933
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:56,079
um in an area that

934
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:58,800
there's supposedly a deep underground

935
00:35:02,310 --> 00:35:00,000
cavern

936
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:02,320
where when the sasquatch get old or

937
00:35:06,069 --> 00:35:04,560
they're ill they make this journey to

938
00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:06,079
this place where they can

939
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:08,960
be with their elders due to the old the

940
00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:11,359
old timers till they die

941
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:13,359
and this is where all the bones is just

942
00:35:17,829 --> 00:35:15,119
for the bones if we were to find them to

943
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:17,839
find them but it could be anywhere over

944
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:20,960
thousands of back country miles in that

945
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:22,240
rampart range area which

946
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:24,960
is just caves everywhere so it could be

947
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:27,200
absolutely anywhere

948
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:28,720
that's a little bit more interesting

949
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:31,200
thing uh you know they kind of changed

950
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:33,119
my paradigms

951
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:36,400
on the paranormal but at the same time i

952
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:38,640
have to stay grounded so i do not

953
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:40,560
believe mark doesn't believe

954
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:45,119
that there is an alien uh connection nor

955
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:47,280
they can open portal i don't believe

956
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:48,960
they can be portals nothing they just

957
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:50,000
don't

958
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:52,240
i think they are living harmonies and

959
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:54,000
they have ale protected by an infestable

960
00:35:59,589 --> 00:35:56,079
spirit

961
00:36:01,750 --> 00:35:59,599
i know it sounds very indian sure

962
00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:01,760
yeah you know basically to me that's

963
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:02,960
what they are

964
00:36:13,270 --> 00:36:11,190
and that goes along with a lot of tales

965
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:13,280
of the sasquatch or when to go

966
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:15,920
and i mean the the the sightings and

967
00:36:19,750 --> 00:36:18,560
accounts worldwide i mean from zimbabwe

968
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:19,760
the agaway the

969
00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:22,480
mongolia they have the alma sumatra has

970
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:24,079
a rangpendik

971
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:27,599
skunk ape in the you know southern us

972
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:30,240
they're everywhere you always thought if

973
00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:31,760
we're going to make this work and we're

974
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:33,119
going to answer that question

975
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:36,000
about the worldwide drama then

976
00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:37,839
archaeology has to be playing a

977
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:38,720
partnership because

978
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:40,880
otherwise science just gets thrown to

979
00:36:43,829 --> 00:36:42,079
its wayside

980
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:43,839
this is truly the case and they're in

981
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:45,440
they're basically in south africa and

982
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:46,000
others like

983
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:49,040
this this means that hominins survive

984
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:50,720
in different locations around the world

985
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:52,800
and there's different variations

986
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:54,400
but the only way this issue is going to

987
00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:55,839
work is they would have had to go

988
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:58,079
underground considering natural

989
00:37:02,150 --> 00:36:59,760
disasters climate change

990
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:02,160
wars every in order to make this plague

991
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:04,000
they would have had to go

992
00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:07,200
into underground caverns and then

993
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:14,150
to hunt um that's the only way because

994
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:14,560
this

995
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:18,320
i feel

996
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:20,720
that you've had some moroccan things

997
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:22,640
some mothers did in colorado because you

998
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:23,440
have the

999
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:25,839
high amount of caves and underground

1000
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:27,280
caverns

1001
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:30,480
along the front range anyways

1002
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:32,079
and i tell you that's that's what

1003
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:33,839
happened you know the

1004
00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:35,760
the big one that i saw she looked like a

1005
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:37,520
big on my first side and she looked like

1006
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:39,440
a big big family her face would

1007
00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:41,200
look like she had her hair pulled back

1008
00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:42,640
that's another issue

1009
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:44,400
like the woman pulls her hair back like

1010
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:46,160
it was tied back

1011
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:49,119
and she had the that hominin almost

1012
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:50,560
enabled facebook

1013
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:54,160
but the eyes were pretty big and i said

1014
00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:55,280
you know i thought to myself

1015
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:57,119
those eyes look at the size of those

1016
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:58,560
eyes that's

1017
00:38:02,069 --> 00:38:00,400
that's what the neanderthals and that

1018
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:02,079
was because they needed to

1019
00:38:05,109 --> 00:38:04,400
bring in as much light in the dark to

1020
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:05,119
see

1021
00:38:08,710 --> 00:38:07,760
especially being underground in a cage

1022
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:08,720
or something

1023
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:12,160
this is huge eyes it can just bring in

1024
00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:12,960
the light

1025
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:15,760
which is another thing that freaked me

1026
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:18,880
out when i saw that

1027
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:21,680
yeah and they are they seem to have this

1028
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:23,680
night vision that you're talking about

1029
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:25,760
and you know with with sightings in all

1030
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:26,880
these places and

1031
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:28,880
it seems like there's different sizes of

1032
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:30,160
them uh

1033
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:33,280
and and in different parts of the world

1034
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:35,200
it seems like they should be there in

1035
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:37,440
the genetic chain i mean it's a big jump

1036
00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:38,160
from

1037
00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:40,480
like the orangutan to us or to the chimp

1038
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:41,920
from the chimpanzee to us

1039
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:43,440
it really does seem like they're the

1040
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:44,560
missing link and they should be

1041
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:46,480
somewhere in the chain of uh

1042
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:50,240
real species well

1043
00:38:55,589 --> 00:38:53,280
you know that's a that's a huge

1044
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:55,599
long discussion right there on on who's

1045
00:38:59,910 --> 00:38:57,359
preventing it

1046
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:59,920
because there are powers that don't want

1047
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:00,800
it out

1048
00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:03,280
there for a lot of reasons you know even

1049
00:39:07,829 --> 00:39:04,560
if you were to

1050
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:07,839
have been chatted by park rangers

1051
00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:11,200
uh or you know convincing

1052
00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:14,240
wildlife people and so forth

1053
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:17,040
you know that as far as you the harder

1054
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:17,599
that you

1055
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:25,990
somebody doesn't want that they don't

1056
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:27,440
want them to

1057
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:30,160
because you know i had a guy when i

1058
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:32,079
worked for cabela's collins and park

1059
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:34,720
ranger and he didn't tell me

1060
00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:37,200
he'd made the comments that if the

1061
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:38,320
government truly

1062
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:41,359
was protecting and doesn't want

1063
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:45,119
them exposed because of too far

1064
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:48,240
they've gone to evolve too far into

1065
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:51,040
the animal kingdom to be able to attack

1066
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:51,920
there

1067
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:57,670
and that's pretty much true they you

1068
00:40:02,150 --> 00:39:59,280
know they

1069
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:02,160
they talk someone used to say they left

1070
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:04,880
they weren't left and we weren't right

1071
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:06,720
so that's why they don't use fire but

1072
00:40:11,589 --> 00:40:09,359
they have our intelligence

1073
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:11,599
and at least enough to hide from us to

1074
00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:12,400
hide from

1075
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:20,150
and do you think how would the world

1076
00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:21,760
change or how would the public

1077
00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:25,040
take it if if it was proven true

1078
00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:27,280
and these these things haven't have

1079
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:29,839
evolved these have evolved much past us

1080
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:32,160
how how would a i i could see how there

1081
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:33,680
would be sort of an uproar

1082
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:35,520
you know if something like this was made

1083
00:40:41,109 --> 00:40:37,680
public that these really did exist

1084
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:41,119
how do you think the public would react

1085
00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:45,599
well let me give you an example

1086
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:48,319
i have one particular grave we just had

1087
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:50,240
our eye on for a number of years now

1088
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:52,880
in one of our high flooding areas in in

1089
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:54,480
our best area

1090
00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:56,960
this thing measures about 10 feet in

1091
00:41:01,109 --> 00:40:58,000
length

1092
00:41:03,190 --> 00:41:01,119
and um

1093
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:03,200
width and height and stuff you know it's

1094
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:04,160
it's huge

1095
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:07,119
it's in the shape of a bigfoot it looks

1096
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:09,599
like a bigfoot was very they're

1097
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:12,000
maybe this is one of the ones that died

1098
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:12,880
problem is

1099
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:15,280
and it's got logs and wood rocks going

1100
00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:16,640
and mixed in the dirt and stuff

1101
00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:18,640
you can clearly see that it's a very

1102
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:20,240
large something that's buried in

1103
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:33,270
but they could lock me up because if

1104
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:35,760
you have kind of law and you have it's

1105
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:36,720
clm law

1106
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:40,560
you have to take it so you'll find a way

1107
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:42,240
there's nothing really that i can do

1108
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:44,720
about that right now

1109
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:47,040
just sit on the gps but nowhere it's not

1110
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:48,720
because if i

1111
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:51,760
if i dig it up i'd be in big trouble

1112
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:54,880
you know they

1113
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:57,520
the the problem right now is that i

1114
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:59,680
found when i went to

1115
00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:01,440
the university of denver archaeology

1116
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:03,280
department

1117
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:05,920
looking for caverns and any information

1118
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:07,920
that could come on that park

1119
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:10,640
there's nobody there they couldn't even

1120
00:42:16,150 --> 00:42:11,920
find anybody to help

1121
00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:16,160
just a ghost and they

1122
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:18,160
one person i did find to help me at the

1123
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:19,680
university there

1124
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:21,520
uh you know pointing me to the library

1125
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:23,119
of course but

1126
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:26,240
basically said yeah nobody takes the

1127
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:28,400
classes anymore they don't make any

1128
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:29,760
money in arctic archeology

1129
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:31,280
all the students go over to theology

1130
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:32,400
because they can go to work for oil

1131
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,000
companies you know after they

1132
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:36,480
graduate because nobody makes money

1133
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:37,920
going and looking for bones anymore

1134
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:38,400
because

1135
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:39,839
we have very few students in the

1136
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:41,520
archaeology department

1137
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:45,119
which told me that that's probably a

1138
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:46,960
nationwide issue

1139
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:49,359
and it's not you don't make any money

1140
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:50,640
doing it you have to apply for

1141
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:52,800
government grants 50 bid

1142
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:55,119
you have to get permits if there was

1143
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:56,079
ever an indian

1144
00:43:04,230 --> 00:42:58,400
even living on it but they documented

1145
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:05,430
[Music]

1146
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:08,000
i know i have places where i know

1147
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:08,800
something can

1148
00:43:13,510 --> 00:43:11,040
maybe be there but i can't that's what

1149
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:13,520
we did right now

1150
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:15,680
absolutely and there's a lot of legends

1151
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:16,880
i like uh

1152
00:43:20,069 --> 00:43:19,520
the ancestral spirit things that you

1153
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:20,079
mentioned

1154
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:22,400
there's a lot of legends of that that

1155
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,160
are similar it said

1156
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:26,400
many say that bigfoot and dogs don't get

1157
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:27,839
along that goes with both of those

1158
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:29,119
legends with the

1159
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:30,800
sasquatch and the windigo have you had

1160
00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:32,880
any examples or experiences with

1161
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:36,400
animals that go along those lines

1162
00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:40,079
sure it's my um if you mean like sea

1163
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:42,160
animals missing farm animals that's all

1164
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:42,640
part of

1165
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:46,319
my investigation is that what we mean

1166
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:47,680
like that where they're taking

1167
00:43:51,190 --> 00:43:50,000
uh animals right you hear about it all

1168
00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:51,200
the times chickens

1169
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:53,680
ducks pigs other livestock have you come

1170
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:55,359
across that as well

1171
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:58,160
oh yeah sure the the original first

1172
00:44:01,349 --> 00:43:59,680
place i keep talking about where

1173
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:01,359
all of this began for me in that state

1174
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:03,599
park it sits down on eastern colorado

1175
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:04,800
and there's some farms

1176
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:07,359
branches around there and so forth one

1177
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:09,440
of the first reports i ran across was a

1178
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:11,920
massive coyote kill back in the 80s

1179
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:14,319
um in the area and it encompassed almost

1180
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:16,319
into another county

1181
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:18,160
and somebody had just gone through and

1182
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:19,760
just slaughtered coyotes and they didn't

1183
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:21,440
do it with a gun they ripped the hats

1184
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:23,280
off and just slaughter them they report

1185
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:24,640
them to people

1186
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:27,680
so anybody anybody who knows anything i

1187
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:28,800
knew it was a bigfoot

1188
00:44:32,309 --> 00:44:31,359
so at that time in douglas town here in

1189
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:32,319
colorado

1190
00:44:36,150 --> 00:44:34,640
it should kind of reflect at that time

1191
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:36,160
you didn't know the call there was

1192
00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:37,440
really no

1193
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:39,440
input organizations really that he could

1194
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:41,200
locate in colorado at that time so he

1195
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:42,000
called

1196
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:44,640
oregon bigfoot researchers organizations

1197
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:46,800
i don't know oregon and they came out

1198
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:50,400
and just you know did a basic cfr report

1199
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:52,400
looked around a little bit and did the

1200
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:54,319
report on it but but then every occurs

1201
00:44:59,910 --> 00:44:56,880
like every 10 to 12 years or so

1202
00:45:01,510 --> 00:44:59,920
um they do that they go through and it

1203
00:45:02,790 --> 00:45:01,520
could be because the coyotes are getting

1204
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:02,800
too overpopulated

1205
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:04,560
and it's affecting them so they just go

1206
00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:07,040
through and kill them all

1207
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:10,560
but in the same uh genre

1208
00:45:13,990 --> 00:45:13,599
or in the same area susan when she came

1209
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:14,000
on

1210
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:16,640
uh susan worked at the veterinary

1211
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:19,359
hospital in the little neighboring town

1212
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:21,680
the service of all friends and supports

1213
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:23,680
around this game

1214
00:45:29,589 --> 00:45:26,880
and if you know anything that came

1215
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:29,599
in that was unusual she would be the

1216
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:30,000
first

1217
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:33,040
spirit um so

1218
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:35,520
a guy or a woman brought in a very large

1219
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:36,319
dog

1220
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:40,160
primates he couldn't walk

1221
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:43,119
uh so they got dogged in there and susan

1222
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:44,160
asked the

1223
00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:47,280
uh you know the lady what happened and

1224
00:45:50,309 --> 00:45:49,599
he said the dogs it was at night you

1225
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:50,319
know the dog

1226
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:53,520
took off to the edge of the property um

1227
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:56,319
after something and they were barking

1228
00:45:59,750 --> 00:45:57,040
over there

1229
00:46:02,150 --> 00:45:59,760
and then he took the one dollar back

1230
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:02,160
that they have over someone were calling

1231
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:05,280
the other dog didn't and they said

1232
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:07,280
it was a fair and they started they said

1233
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:08,960
they started hearing towels

1234
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:11,359
up in the canyon because then you

1235
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:12,000
started getting

1236
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:13,440
weird how it's good you just thought it

1237
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:15,440
was a bear we thought we saw a black

1238
00:46:20,309 --> 00:46:17,520
saddle or something he'd grab

1239
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:20,319
so he's a pretty big dunk he'd find it

1240
00:46:25,589 --> 00:46:21,359
there

1241
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:25,599
so about an hour or so later he's gone

1242
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:27,839
back and he was driving his rear high

1243
00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:29,119
leg you can walk

1244
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:32,560
um so after that second hour

1245
00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:35,040
there was no signs of animal scratches

1246
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:35,599
fight

1247
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:37,440
anything like that that the bear would

1248
00:46:42,309 --> 00:46:38,800
do you know there

1249
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:42,319
is a claw it's going to leave something

1250
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:45,599
uh nothing um so

1251
00:46:50,309 --> 00:46:48,480
the veterinarian uh the vet said it

1252
00:46:53,109 --> 00:46:50,319
appears that

1253
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:53,119
somebody squeezed him a little too tight

1254
00:46:57,430 --> 00:46:54,480
he's going to recover

1255
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:57,440
he's going to but he didn't break his

1256
00:47:00,309 --> 00:46:58,960
back he goes but he

1257
00:47:02,309 --> 00:47:00,319
appears that something picked him up and

1258
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:02,319
squeaked and keeps fight

1259
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:05,040
at that point me and susan knew exactly

1260
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:06,960
who was responsible for that

1261
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:10,160
and um and so

1262
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:11,760
that was one way of confirmation of

1263
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:13,200
knowing that you still had a guy that's

1264
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:15,119
still alive in that area

1265
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:16,319
he's probably one of the little

1266
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:18,160
juveniles um

1267
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:21,040
that i've caught on video a couple times

1268
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:22,319
and he's grown

1269
00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:25,280
and he's causing a little bit of trouble

1270
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:28,880
around there with some of the ranchers

1271
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:31,599
i'm okay with because it lets me know

1272
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:33,280
you know when i'm looking for data

1273
00:47:37,589 --> 00:47:36,160
all the time that something happened out

1274
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:37,599
there cool that's great i mean

1275
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:39,200
somebody's still alive and

1276
00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:42,640
you're taking it out wow

1277
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:45,760
and and the other one didn't come back

1278
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:46,480
you hear this

1279
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:49,920
all the time it it's pretty obvious that

1280
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:52,000
these things have the power to do

1281
00:47:55,349 --> 00:47:53,200
whatever they want

1282
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:55,359
have you ever come across any areas or

1283
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:57,359
sites where you've seen

1284
00:48:00,710 --> 00:48:00,319
tools or remnants of archaeological type

1285
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:00,720
things

1286
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:05,040
ever come across tools or artifacts

1287
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:06,800
oh yes in fact i have a whole chapter

1288
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:08,640
going on with this um

1289
00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:10,640
some of the structural areas that you

1290
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:12,880
need in this town

1291
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:15,760
we find hand at he's particularly good

1292
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:17,920
at finding these things because he has a

1293
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:18,960
bigger study

1294
00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:21,200
background in the natural policy than i

1295
00:48:23,349 --> 00:48:22,000
do um

1296
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:23,359
you know i was just the guy who carried

1297
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:25,359
a gun for a long time

1298
00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:28,800
guys uh she has a richer background

1299
00:48:31,829 --> 00:48:31,040
he's always looking for southwestern

1300
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:31,839
most used

1301
00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:34,960
um the aztecs when we're out in the

1302
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:35,599
rockies

1303
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:38,880
other types of events fine points and

1304
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:39,680
arrowheads

1305
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:42,000
and how the hell did you find that you

1306
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:43,440
know i mean you just got an eye like a

1307
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:45,200
heart for this stuff

1308
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:57,270
a number of things like that um i

1309
00:49:02,230 --> 00:48:58,960
remember you know

1310
00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:02,240
it's a giant in his big red video you're

1311
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:03,680
a breaking news

1312
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:05,520
you know it's something we have out here

1313
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:06,880
and there's struggles

1314
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:09,040
and coins and it actually and they grow

1315
00:49:12,630 --> 00:49:10,319
everywhere

1316
00:49:14,549 --> 00:49:12,640
um we have found where they gather cells

1317
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:14,559
and use these hand

1318
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:16,720
to break open you know different various

1319
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:18,240
nuts and so forth

1320
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:21,599
um and also it appears that they use

1321
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:23,280
them to break branches

1322
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:24,319
like when they're building these

1323
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:27,200
structures instead of using a human hat

1324
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:29,599
you're using a big rock that's sharpened

1325
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:31,119
on one side like

1326
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:33,920
like to make splints and i'm like oh you

1327
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:35,760
know why would a human be them would you

1328
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:37,520
area acted if they're going to put this

1329
00:49:42,069 --> 00:49:39,200
thing together

1330
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:42,079
um so it's we do find those we save a

1331
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:42,720
lot of them

1332
00:49:49,589 --> 00:49:45,920
uh just as mementos you know but

1333
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:49,599
you can clearly tell when a uh

1334
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:52,400
then a hand axe has been shipped to give

1335
00:49:54,630 --> 00:49:53,280
it a sharp edge

1336
00:49:56,309 --> 00:49:54,640
kind of like making a flint in the

1337
00:49:57,270 --> 00:49:56,319
arrowhead you can see the tits where

1338
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:57,280
it's been done

1339
00:50:01,349 --> 00:50:00,240
now whether those were done by a

1340
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:01,359
sasquatch or

1341
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:04,800
if just a community by who knows

1342
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:07,440
in colorado but we've seen them if it's

1343
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:09,280
in an area where we're having

1344
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:11,280
big productivity then obviously they're

1345
00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:12,960
using

1346
00:50:16,710 --> 00:50:15,520
and then like i said we had found the

1347
00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:16,720
rock stack

1348
00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:19,200
up there where that was on that clip and

1349
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:20,800
those locks that were stacked weren't

1350
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:21,440
like

1351
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:30,160
you could get uh that's stuff you could

1352
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:31,359
really start

1353
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:33,520
you cut and you make it easy to cut open

1354
00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:38,069
so i'm absolutely sure they're doing

1355
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:39,280
everything

1356
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:40,880
that we learned in college or in high

1357
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:43,200
school about hominin about hominology

1358
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:44,160
about

1359
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:48,400
uh neanderthals um homo erectus

1360
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:50,880
my favorite is omaha but venus and spain

1361
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:53,040
because they were using axes

1362
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:56,880
at that time you could have boned in um

1363
00:51:01,510 --> 00:50:58,559
in spain there were where they

1364
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:01,520
discovered with neanderthal

1365
00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:04,640
with homophobic dentists they found a

1366
00:51:07,109 --> 00:51:05,599
crystallic

1367
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:07,119
they were using course crystal pink

1368
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:09,599
crystal splinting it and making

1369
00:51:19,990 --> 00:51:17,190
yeah that early comment and

1370
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:20,000
had ritual and death you know they threw

1371
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:20,960
them in the pit

1372
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:22,880
down there and then would throw items

1373
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:24,800
like that to bury their death with the

1374
00:51:27,109 --> 00:51:25,680
items

1375
00:51:29,030 --> 00:51:27,119
which probably belong to the one that

1376
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:29,040
died and that's

1377
00:51:32,710 --> 00:51:30,480
that's kind of telling you know how

1378
00:51:34,870 --> 00:51:32,720
common in the world

1379
00:51:36,309 --> 00:51:34,880
and that i don't feel it's any different

1380
00:51:38,950 --> 00:51:36,319
from um

1381
00:51:40,230 --> 00:51:38,960
bigfoot if there is nothing in north

1382
00:51:41,589 --> 00:51:40,240
america they're

1383
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:41,599
they're disposing of the dead in a

1384
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:42,960
similar way i don't believe that they're

1385
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:44,480
eating

1386
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:50,559
they're dead they'd be any more of a

1387
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:53,119
yeah there'd be more evidence of that i

1388
00:51:57,190 --> 00:51:54,000
would think

1389
00:51:59,030 --> 00:51:57,200
you know then it seems like

1390
00:52:00,710 --> 00:51:59,040
you know when you do look at some people

1391
00:52:01,430 --> 00:52:00,720
are just going to disbelieve no matter

1392
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:01,440
what

1393
00:52:04,549 --> 00:52:03,599
but when you look at all of the evidence

1394
00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:04,559
whether it's hair

1395
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:07,599
foot castings video worldwide reports

1396
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:10,240
there's you know all kinds of anecdotal

1397
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:11,200
evidence

1398
00:52:17,990 --> 00:52:14,880
artifacts etc

1399
00:52:20,309 --> 00:52:18,000
there really is something going on

1400
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:20,319
and and it's hard to kind of put your

1401
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:21,520
finger on that but i think you're

1402
00:52:25,349 --> 00:52:22,160
getting

1403
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:25,359
a lot of reliable evidence

1404
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:29,440
well in his opinion um with that

1405
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:32,720
like i said i'm pretty much a

1406
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:34,960
boots on the ground kind of guy i'm when

1407
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:36,400
i hit the field the first thing i'm

1408
00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:38,160
doing is i'm looking at the ground i'm

1409
00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:39,839
reading the ground for prince

1410
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:41,920
that's going to be my first time if

1411
00:52:46,069 --> 00:52:43,920
there's a teepee me off in the distance

1412
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:46,079
i'm going to give that a second

1413
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:47,839
but now you know i'm not going to give

1414
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:49,760
it a second i'm not going to bother with

1415
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:51,599
it until i finish with the prince

1416
00:52:55,349 --> 00:52:53,440
because that's going to be your overall

1417
00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:55,359
active truth

1418
00:53:01,109 --> 00:52:59,520
um mixed with

1419
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:01,119
if something's moving in a straight line

1420
00:53:05,109 --> 00:53:03,119
and have 15 assists in spring

1421
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:05,119
and even though this soil is hard in

1422
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:07,200
colorado it's going to be a software

1423
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:08,400
it's going to be

1424
00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:11,599
they hit the ground really hard and

1425
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:14,160
um even in a hard soil in the rocky

1426
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:15,440
mountains you still get pretty good

1427
00:53:18,390 --> 00:53:16,559
frankie you can see

1428
00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:18,400
bunions and you can see the things that

1429
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:19,920
women make

1430
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:22,079
you know that this is true this is

1431
00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:22,960
really true

1432
00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:26,000
and again i'm not the only asia out

1433
00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:26,480
there

1434
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:36,640
phenomenal or phenomenal and uh

1435
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:38,800
you know so a lot of us share data over

1436
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:39,760
the years also

1437
00:53:44,309 --> 00:53:42,000
and we know we've been to each other's

1438
00:53:46,790 --> 00:53:44,319
areas sometimes we've uh

1439
00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:46,800
we've been on outings together and so

1440
00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:48,160
all of that data

1441
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:51,040
that is colorado is not it's not just me

1442
00:53:53,670 --> 00:53:52,160
it's you know it's the other

1443
00:53:56,710 --> 00:53:53,680
researchers that were in contact with

1444
00:53:59,109 --> 00:53:56,720
you just the communities are hard

1445
00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:59,119
not everybody gets along or agrees but

1446
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:00,960
you know those are what they do

1447
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:04,800
they kind of make the best yeah

1448
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:07,119
and it's really neat you mentioned uh

1449
00:54:12,069 --> 00:54:08,880
the crypto four corners

1450
00:54:14,790 --> 00:54:12,079
that's great organization and it's it's

1451
00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:14,800
wild the places where

1452
00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:16,720
sasquatch bigfoot and some of these

1453
00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:18,480
other strange paranormal events are

1454
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:19,920
taking place down

1455
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:23,440
all along the southwest well yeah and

1456
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:24,400
that is another

1457
00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:26,880
issue look what's going on today you

1458
00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:27,599
guys uh

1459
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:29,760
smoke is already flowing over here where

1460
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:31,599
i live in a little from colorado in this

1461
00:54:35,589 --> 00:54:32,400
class

1462
00:54:36,630 --> 00:54:35,599
guys full of smoke coming from oh god

1463
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:36,640
they're in montana

1464
00:54:41,750 --> 00:54:40,079
idaho arizona california is on fire

1465
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:41,760
again

1466
00:54:44,789 --> 00:54:43,359
it's going to be another horrible fire

1467
00:54:47,109 --> 00:54:44,799
season hopefully not as

1468
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:47,119
it was you know a couple years ago but

1469
00:54:52,069 --> 00:54:48,400
these fires have

1470
00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:52,079
i believe have caused a mass migration

1471
00:54:58,150 --> 00:54:55,440
including encroachment and

1472
00:54:59,589 --> 00:54:58,160
something east and they're moving south

1473
00:55:02,150 --> 00:54:59,599
now me and jc we were

1474
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:02,160
used to talk a lot and i made a lot of

1475
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:03,040
context

1476
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:05,040
because i originally grew up in new

1477
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:06,160
mexico

1478
00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:08,559
so i know a lot of the areas in new

1479
00:55:12,789 --> 00:55:10,079
mexico where

1480
00:55:14,789 --> 00:55:12,799
robert kreider and and ac and then again

1481
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:14,799
so i i kind of had a kinship with stacy

1482
00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:15,200
and

1483
00:55:18,390 --> 00:55:17,119
i used to talk to him a lot about um you

1484
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:18,400
know the place that he had been in

1485
00:55:22,789 --> 00:55:19,280
colorado

1486
00:55:24,789 --> 00:55:22,799
great guys um the

1487
00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:24,799
fire's been he agreed with him that

1488
00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:26,480
they're kind of caused

1489
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:29,440
in up different fighting in the western

1490
00:55:36,309 --> 00:55:31,920
slope of colorado as an example

1491
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:36,319
in other places where traditionally

1492
00:55:41,589 --> 00:55:39,680
there wasn't a lot of space but

1493
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:41,599
it appears that they're starting to

1494
00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:44,240
migrate you know when we talk about

1495
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:46,000
the things that was causing all the

1496
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:47,280
problems i don't know if you know the

1497
00:55:51,510 --> 00:55:49,440
story down in sally arizona on the naval

1498
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:51,520
indian reservation

1499
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:53,280
that was scaring people it was eating

1500
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:56,160
the crops it was stealing sheep and

1501
00:55:59,910 --> 00:55:57,839
eventually the navajo nation had to call

1502
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:59,920
in the bed dispose of it because it was

1503
00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:00,559
causing

1504
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:02,960
public safety issue and i'm not aware if

1505
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:04,480
you know that story or not

1506
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:07,920
but the the navajo

1507
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:10,160
uh rhetoric down there in arizona and

1508
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:11,760
then so they've had this

1509
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:13,839
problem in the last couple of years

1510
00:56:17,670 --> 00:56:16,799
where they have bigfoot that wander into

1511
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:17,680
the area

1512
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:20,880
and then start feeling deep um

1513
00:56:25,349 --> 00:56:24,160
in the crop they don't have a whole lot

1514
00:56:27,190 --> 00:56:25,359
out there

1515
00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:27,200
rural parts of the reservation so they

1516
00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:28,720
have community farms

1517
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:30,640
and just for the people that live out

1518
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:33,040
there and then the ranch has seen the

1519
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:35,839
wool and sheep it's the cash cow for the

1520
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:36,720
navajo

1521
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:40,079
out there and uh

1522
00:56:44,069 --> 00:56:42,960
people and if they put come in and they

1523
00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:44,079
just their up

1524
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:47,520
and it it infuriates you know look like

1525
00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:49,280
they don't have a very good relationship

1526
00:56:54,309 --> 00:56:51,680
because of that type of behavior

1527
00:56:55,750 --> 00:56:54,319
and so jc spent a lot of time you know

1528
00:56:57,670 --> 00:56:55,760
over the years working with

1529
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:57,680
uh the native population around the time

1530
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:59,040
you get them to understand that these

1531
00:57:02,470 --> 00:57:00,400
things aren't doing it on purpose

1532
00:57:04,390 --> 00:57:02,480
it's a survival issue you know it's a

1533
00:57:04,950 --> 00:57:04,400
fight for resources they're not doing it

1534
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:04,960
because they're

1535
00:57:09,910 --> 00:57:08,240
trying to be mean it would do some

1536
00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:09,920
some pretty rotten things you know i

1537
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:12,160
mean it's like

1538
00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:13,920
oh timer it took him a while to grow

1539
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:15,359
this big watermelon and then

1540
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:17,359
the bigfoot's in there and he's only a

1541
00:57:23,349 --> 00:57:19,520
few bites out of him leaves it on

1542
00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:24,950
you kind of see why they were upset with

1543
00:57:27,829 --> 00:57:27,280
that but what that did is on a bigger

1544
00:57:30,630 --> 00:57:27,839
map

1545
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:30,640
that me and jc were looking at was the

1546
00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:31,599
migration

1547
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:35,119
due to encroachment fires and

1548
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:38,480
um you know i had talked to other people

1549
00:57:41,109 --> 00:57:38,880
over

1550
00:57:42,549 --> 00:57:41,119
the years been involved in this and

1551
00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:42,559
there was an old guy up there in

1552
00:57:46,870 --> 00:57:44,880
washington old red elk

1553
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:46,880
that i had befriended he used to have

1554
00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:49,440
conversations on the phone with red elk

1555
00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:51,520
yeah and he told me they're on their way

1556
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:53,040
to mexico you have groups they're on

1557
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:54,240
their way they want to get across the

1558
00:57:56,950 --> 00:57:55,200
border because they're

1559
00:57:58,230 --> 00:57:56,960
they've heard the rumors of these lush

1560
00:57:59,589 --> 00:57:58,240
jungles out there where there's no

1561
00:58:03,030 --> 00:57:59,599
people

1562
00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:03,040
i said okay if that's true he is one of

1563
00:58:07,829 --> 00:58:03,760
them

1564
00:58:10,950 --> 00:58:07,839
down there it appears they're moving for

1565
00:58:11,589 --> 00:58:10,960
border and we don't know if that's if

1566
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:11,599
that's just

1567
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:14,640
wanderlust you know you get a couple

1568
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:15,520
that are just

1569
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:18,240
wandering looking for a new home sure

1570
00:58:20,710 --> 00:58:19,200
enough in areas

1571
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:20,720
they end up in an area where they didn't

1572
00:58:24,789 --> 00:58:23,040
know they were going to end up in

1573
00:58:27,829 --> 00:58:24,799
then they get stuck there and then they

1574
00:58:31,109 --> 00:58:27,839
get in a situation like that where

1575
00:58:33,190 --> 00:58:31,119
normally they're around somebody

1576
00:58:34,230 --> 00:58:33,200
by the point of americans down there and

1577
00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:34,240
so they have to

1578
00:58:40,150 --> 00:58:37,680
start feeling props because

1579
00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:40,160
you know it it's from all true story

1580
00:58:43,349 --> 00:58:40,960
because they

1581
00:58:44,950 --> 00:58:43,359
went through all the the checks and

1582
00:58:46,950 --> 00:58:44,960
balances but the prince they were

1583
00:58:48,630 --> 00:58:46,960
leaving these humongous prints all over

1584
00:58:51,670 --> 00:58:48,640
the place all around while

1585
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:51,680
they would steal something

1586
00:58:54,870 --> 00:58:53,599
i guess the final straw happened down

1587
00:58:56,789 --> 00:58:54,880
there uh you know

1588
00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:56,799
he scared a little girl that came out

1589
00:59:00,630 --> 00:58:58,720
behind the dumpster behind a restaurant

1590
00:59:02,950 --> 00:59:00,640
scared the little girl around the

1591
00:59:05,109 --> 00:59:02,960
dumpster and

1592
00:59:07,750 --> 00:59:05,119
at that point it turned into a pretty

1593
00:59:09,910 --> 00:59:07,760
bad story

1594
00:59:11,589 --> 00:59:09,920
yeah and uh down there in the four

1595
00:59:13,109 --> 00:59:11,599
corners it seems like some of these

1596
00:59:15,750 --> 00:59:13,119
creatures

1597
00:59:17,750 --> 00:59:15,760
have different snouts while others are

1598
00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:17,760
more shadow creatures or shape shifting

1599
00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:19,680
slash skin walkers

1600
00:59:22,950 --> 00:59:22,079
um did you ever come across any of these

1601
00:59:27,910 --> 00:59:22,960
that

1602
00:59:36,789 --> 00:59:33,750
yes but not

1603
00:59:37,589 --> 00:59:36,799
not like a dog okay i had i had taken a

1604
00:59:38,950 --> 00:59:37,599
number of pictures

1605
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:38,960
earlier in the years when i started

1606
00:59:42,789 --> 00:59:40,160
sitting and made a lot of my videos

1607
00:59:50,549 --> 00:59:42,799
where i had reached the following

1608
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:55,589
um so then then you have this

1609
00:59:59,190 --> 00:59:57,359
how can i break this down when i was

1610
01:00:01,670 --> 00:59:59,200
young i grew up in new mexico

1611
01:00:03,589 --> 01:00:01,680
um and i had a lot of native american

1612
01:00:05,670 --> 01:00:03,599
friends growing up uh one

1613
01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:05,680
friend of mine his name was ricky his

1614
01:00:11,829 --> 01:00:08,000
father was an apache medicine

1615
01:00:13,750 --> 01:00:11,839
um going into college

1616
01:00:14,950 --> 01:00:13,760
a lot of that native american studies

1617
01:00:18,069 --> 01:00:14,960
and so forth

1618
01:00:22,470 --> 01:00:18,079
i uh i learned some stuff from

1619
01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:22,480
his grandfather and um i learned about

1620
01:00:27,829 --> 01:00:25,520
how they view how magic works in

1621
01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:27,839
festival magic and so forth things that

1622
01:00:32,950 --> 01:00:30,480
i think that good is doing and

1623
01:00:33,990 --> 01:00:32,960
then told me uh yeah they they have

1624
01:00:39,109 --> 01:00:34,000
their own

1625
01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:39,119
in their back because they have their

1626
01:00:47,670 --> 01:00:40,480
brains are very fast

1627
01:00:51,510 --> 01:00:49,430
and i don't know if they're good or bad

1628
01:00:53,670 --> 01:00:51,520
but typically yes

1629
01:00:56,789 --> 01:00:53,680
when you have a big foot in the area you

1630
01:00:59,990 --> 01:00:56,799
may have some other ghost

1631
01:01:03,030 --> 01:01:00,000
shadow beings now shake shifting

1632
01:01:06,870 --> 01:01:03,040
is a is a whole different thing

1633
01:01:10,150 --> 01:01:06,880
um because it involved to me it involves

1634
01:01:11,589 --> 01:01:10,160
spirit polka guys from my educational

1635
01:01:12,789 --> 01:01:11,599
background from what i know from my

1636
01:01:14,630 --> 01:01:12,799
experiences

1637
01:01:16,230 --> 01:01:14,640
is that it's not this whole

1638
01:01:17,829 --> 01:01:16,240
interdimensional world that

1639
01:01:20,069 --> 01:01:17,839
people are trying to create right now

1640
01:01:23,109 --> 01:01:20,079
where spirit has always been around

1641
01:01:26,549 --> 01:01:23,119
or since our creation peoples and ghosts

1642
01:01:27,030 --> 01:01:26,559
and phantoms and it had experiences with

1643
01:01:29,109 --> 01:01:27,040
dead

1644
01:01:30,390 --> 01:01:29,119
people walking through their homes and

1645
01:01:32,630 --> 01:01:30,400
other things

1646
01:01:34,549 --> 01:01:32,640
the animals also because being you know

1647
01:01:36,870 --> 01:01:34,559
the spirits of animals that have

1648
01:01:38,710 --> 01:01:36,880
passed on so forth and they've gone

1649
01:01:39,910 --> 01:01:38,720
through just shadows that run across

1650
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:39,920
your living room

1651
01:01:43,750 --> 01:01:42,480
but it's always been around to so in the

1652
01:01:45,190 --> 01:01:43,760
forest

1653
01:01:46,870 --> 01:01:45,200
you would think that would even be more

1654
01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:46,880
accentuated because

1655
01:01:50,390 --> 01:01:48,720
you had people that lived in this forest

1656
01:01:54,309 --> 01:01:50,400
thousands of thousands

1657
01:01:54,319 --> 01:01:58,470
yeah that's so true

1658
01:02:02,069 --> 01:02:00,710
it's the truth it really is the history

1659
01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:02,079
is there it cannot be

1660
01:02:05,109 --> 01:02:04,720
argued and it's so interesting how this

1661
01:02:07,349 --> 01:02:05,119
is

1662
01:02:08,789 --> 01:02:07,359
delving into media and popular culture

1663
01:02:10,710 --> 01:02:08,799
now and everything is becoming very

1664
01:02:11,829 --> 01:02:10,720
bigfoot friendly there's more bigfoot

1665
01:02:14,549 --> 01:02:11,839
shows

1666
01:02:16,470 --> 01:02:14,559
and you know it's just such a mystery

1667
01:02:18,470 --> 01:02:16,480
that i think is finally gaining

1668
01:02:20,230 --> 01:02:18,480
you know the light of day and i just

1669
01:02:21,029 --> 01:02:20,240
wanted to thank you so much for all your

1670
01:02:23,349 --> 01:02:21,039
research

1671
01:02:25,109 --> 01:02:23,359
mark and for coming on and spending time

1672
01:02:27,029 --> 01:02:25,119
explaining things to us

1673
01:02:28,390 --> 01:02:27,039
and uh where can people keep up with

1674
01:02:31,510 --> 01:02:28,400
what you're doing and

1675
01:02:33,349 --> 01:02:31,520
and how things are going okay well first

1676
01:02:34,309 --> 01:02:33,359
of all uh we're almost done with our

1677
01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:34,319
first book

1678
01:02:37,990 --> 01:02:37,200
uh bigfoot in colorado uh comprehensive

1679
01:02:39,670 --> 01:02:38,000
study

1680
01:02:41,430 --> 01:02:39,680
because we're having technical issues

1681
01:02:44,470 --> 01:02:41,440
with the editor of course

1682
01:02:46,069 --> 01:02:44,480
and other things you know um but it will

1683
01:02:47,029 --> 01:02:46,079
be coming out i'm hoping by the end of

1684
01:02:49,750 --> 01:02:47,039
summer

1685
01:02:51,750 --> 01:02:49,760
um but you know we kind of slow down and

1686
01:02:54,069 --> 01:02:51,760
i'm doing um

1687
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post lockdown hikes this season because

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we want to get this project out of the

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way and done

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uh and we're gonna sing in the field

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again

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but you can find me on facebook or

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colorado

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uh i built a science page on facebook

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that you can find by typing that in

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uh youtube channels we're still uh

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running those

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my original uh youtube channel that i

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01:03:21,990 --> 01:03:19,039
originally started

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in this game years ago it's called

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morgan's tim

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uh youtube then

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our secondary channel uh susan's channel

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is called

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csr chrome p-r-o-n-e and

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i'm gonna once i get this book i've been

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published i'm gonna start a website a

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proper website for it

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but i'll just take time because you know

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i'm um

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i'm gonna tell you writing a book the

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hardest thing i've ever done in my life

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and so

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compared to just going out and looking

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well the best best of luck with that you

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know that's great i think i can't wait

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and um best of luck with that can't

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thank you enough for coming on and i

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hope you have a great day thank you mark

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thanks for having me on but i appreciate

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well there you have it mark parra wow

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talk about research and fascinating

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research into the mystery

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01:04:22,870 --> 01:04:20,319
of the hairy man of the mountain yeti

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there's so many names uh big feet little

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feet

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they're reported all over the world the

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more we know about this from

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all angles whether that be nuts and

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bolts

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physical or more ancestral i think it's

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important

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until next time keep your eyes to the

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skies

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feet on the ground but don't forget to

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[Music]

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blast off blast off come blast off in my

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time machine